--- title: Spin Thicket, Bikini Marketing and Other Swings and Misses in Thought Leadership Marketing description: Spin Thicket and Bikini Marketing were two attempts at thought leadership that didn't go as planned. Here's what CEO Scott Baradell learned. image: https://www.trustsignals.com/hubfs/Spin%20Thicket%20Bikini%20Marketing.jpg --- [![Trust Signals Trademark](https://www.trustsignals.com/hs-fs/hubfs/Trust%20Signals%20Trademark.png?width=300&height=82&name=Trust%20Signals%20Trademark.png) ](https://www.trustsignals.com/) - [About](https://www.trustsignals.com/about) - [Book](https://book.trustsignals.com) - [Blog](https://www.trustsignals.com/blog) - [Rankings](https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/tag/rankings) - [Contact](https://www.trustsignals.com/contact) [ << Back to Blog ](https://www.trustsignals.com/blog) [Thought Leadership Marketing](https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/tag/thought-leadership-marketing) # Spin Thicket, Bikini Marketing and Other Swings and Misses in Thought Leadership Marketing ![Image of Scott Baradell](https://www.trustsignals.com/hubfs/Images/scott-banner.jpeg) ###### Scott Baradell **Published:** Apr 6, 2021 **Last Updated:** Nov 30, 2021 ###### Share [mailto:?subject=Check%20out%20https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/spin-thicket-bikini-marketing%20&body=Check%20out%20https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/spin-thicket-bikini-marketing&media=https://f.hubspotusercontent30.net/hubfs/7507638/Spin%20Thicket%20Bikini%20Marketing.jpg](mailto:?subject=Check%20out%20https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/spin-thicket-bikini-marketing%20&body=Check%20out%20https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/spin-thicket-bikini-marketing&media=https://f.hubspotusercontent30.net/hubfs/7507638/Spin%20Thicket%20Bikini%20Marketing.jpg) There are lots of [inspirational quotes](https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/trust-quotes-100-quotes-about-trust-in-business?hsLang=en) on the topic of failure and how failing is necessary on the path to success. You can't log on to LinkedIn without stumbling upon them:  - *"Failure is delay, not defeat."* - *"There's no failure except in no longer trying."* - *"Failure is part of the process of success."* - *"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take."* - *"If at first you fail with a website called [Spin Thicket](https://www.adweek.com/performance-marketing/idea-groves-spin-thicket-gets-a-pruning/), fail again with one called [Bikini Marketing](https://www.business2community.com/content-marketing/visual-content-bikini-marketing-principle-0633084)."* OK, I made up that last one. But you get the idea; the "fail fast" exhortations go on and on, and are a useful form of encouragement—and obviously are something many of us need to be reminded of again and again to overcome our fears. Still, I found it amusing the other day when I saw this LinkedIn parody post: ![If you fail in business just succeed](https://www.trustsignals.com/hs-fs/hubfs/If%20you%20fail%20in%20business%20just%20succeed.jpg?width=630&name=If%20you%20fail%20in%20business%20just%20succeed.jpg) If You Fail in Business, Just Succeed The truth is, the gospel of "failing forward" has its blind spots. Specifically, it assumes you have the resources to start multiple ventures with little concern for failure, because there will always be a cushion to fall back on to try again.  But not everyone can be Steve Jobs or J.K. Rowling. Those uplifting stories are the exception to the rule. Or as [Michael Tefula](https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaeltefula/), a team member at the nonprofit [Diversity VC](https://www.diversity.vc/about-diversity-vc/), so wisely put it: *How many people can you name who went broke while attempting various business ventures and are now still broke? Can you write a list of such people, more easily than a list of successful entrepreneurs who overcame immense obstacles to succeed?* He adds that most of us can't, because while far more numerous, those stories of failure are not the ones shared on LinkedIn or celebrated in  the business press. To paraphrase the author James Atlas, we don't always have the luxury to fail. *It is a product of privilege.* We should recognize and appreciate it as such. Two of My Failures: Spin Thicket and Bikini Marketing And so I am extremely grateful that income from my agency, Idea Grove, has enabled me to try and fail with quite a few side ventures along the way. The two in which I invested the most time and money were website projects: [Spin Thicket](http://www.richardrbecker.com/2007/01/spinning-spin-spin-thicket.html), which I [launched in 2006](http://writerunderground.com/2006/10/31/spin-thicket-fark-for-marketers-of-the-world/) along with an associated website called the Dirt 100, a ranking of celebrity gossip sites. I launched [Bikini Marketing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B5J0G1MEe8) in 2012. These ventures managed to last a few years before they died ignoble deaths, generating relatively little traffic, few leads and no revenues. They taught me, among other things, how difficult it is to create a high-traffic, high-authority digital publication that builds thought leadership and attracts new business.  I had been fortunate in building [Media Orchard, the blog that started Idea Grove](https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/my-blog-had-a-bigger-audience-than-pr-week-the-rest-of-the-story), and I wanted another bite of the apple.  In retrospect the reasons I failed were pretty straightforward: - These ventures lacked strategic focus and clear objectives; I succumbed to "[If you build it they will come](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3c_pJ_CLJQ)" thinking. I had let my early successes go to my head. - I was never truly passionate about these projects. I liked the idea of building a community of marketers, in the case of Spin Thicket, and attracting an audience of millennial marketers, in the case of Bikini Marketing, but my interest waxed and waned over time. - I had an agency to run and that's where I had to put my heart and time to be successful. What you create as a side project will always stay one until you commit to making it more than that. Fortunately, I was able to apply my learnings to help our clients' ventures with thought leadership publications become more successful than my own. Idea Grove has created standalone content marketing websites that have yielded success for companies like [CA Technologies](https://www.ideagrove.com/blog/idea-grove-wins-sncrs-excellence-in-new-communications-award-for-best-online-community) and PG&E.  Last year, I finally decided to take the plunge with another thought leadership website of my own—the one you're reading, Trust Signals. And I have learned from my earlier mistakes. This site has a clear focus and objective. I am passionate about it, and my passion doesn't wax and wane. And it's not a side project—this site communicates our agency's vision to redefine the practice of PR and better serve our clients going forward. It now earns almost as much traffic as [IdeaGrove.com](https://www.ideagrove.com). I know I have been fortunate to have had so many opportunities—and I won't forget to be thankful for that. [![Ready to make your brand more visible and trustworthy to both human buyers and AI systems?](https://no-cache.hubspot.com/cta/default/7507638/interactive-153859540751.png) ](https://cta-service-cms2.hubspot.com/web-interactives/public/v1/track/redirect?encryptedPayload=AVxigLLICw8PcBcsYLk6IU86PbUJVD4ht0ARlOHe5qwlBTbNVhg9HY8LTg8DdECQ2XlW4vycH4chdyZQHjjTFKxXdLRTxZWpkBLwu6RN4A9rVuBksXRMsSWl26aqBL6a%2FT8%2F3AroNkKaaV8J1AL2s7ePK%2BVQSZkEI4r7aWgaRKnv56Au6GqVfN5Vbw%3D%3D&webInteractiveContentId=153859540751&portalId=7507638) ![Image of Scott Baradell](https://www.trustsignals.com/hubfs/Images/scott-banner.jpeg) #### Scott Baradell Scott is founder and CEO of Idea Grove, one of the most forward-looking public relations agencies in the United States. Idea Grove focuses on helping technology companies reach media and buyers, with clients ranging from venture-backed startups to Fortune 100 companies. ###### Blog posts ## Related Articles [Thought Leadership Marketing](https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/tag/thought-leadership-marketing) ![Image of Scott Baradell](https://www.trustsignals.com/hubfs/Images/scott-banner.jpeg) ##### Scott Baradell ### [Why Forbes Councils Is a No Brainer for Thought Leadership Marketing](https://www.trustsignals.com/blog/why-forbes-councils-is-a-no-brainer-for-thought-leadership) As the blurring of earned and paid media accelerates, the once bright line between editorial... 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